Leading Out of the Woods Podcast

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As I reflect on my experiences and best practices working in K-12 education as a former teacher and current administrator, Everybody thank you for tuning into another episode of leading out the woods as always. I am your host Matt Woods. We always appreciate all of our learners out there, all across the country. Thank you for so much for the love, the support, like I said, we love the emails. We love the DMS. We love always just hearing from folks that you appreciate the content that we are providing, but most importantly, thank you for just inspiring us to continue this. So as always for all the educators out there, we love you. We appreciate you. And thank you. I have a real special treat for y’all today.

Have a amazing guest who is really doing some amazing work and really speaking to a lot of the, the mindset and the social, emotional wellbeing, not just of students, but now we’re really talking about the educators, right? Because we know that with yeah, absolutely. With the pandemic and not even just before the pandemic as well. You think about testing, you think about all of the things that teachers and leader and administrators, administrators, excuse me, have to juggle in their day to day operations their day to day, just going, working with students. It’s a lot. So our guest today is very passionate about that work. And she’s really one that just tries to inspire people through the great stuff that she does.

And that is miss LaVonna Roth. How are you doing today? I am with you. So I am fantastic. Oh, I Love that. I love that. But like I said, y’all can hear, even though y’all, this is his daughter, you can hear how positive she is. Every time I’ve had the pleasure of talking to her, she’s always upbeat, always positive. So I could see how that just resonates in her work. So our topic today is I’m really kind of stealing, cause I know she probably has a trademark stealing her acronym right here, but it’s a, re-igniting your shot. We’re going to dive into with LaVonna about her work and just talk to us and she’ll just share with us, excuse me, an overview of what that acronym means shot. But most importantly, the work that she’s engaged in with educators all across the country. Okay. So before we get going, let me just tell y’all a little bit about our guests. She is a former elementary and secondary educator, keynote speaker and author, a consultant. And most importantly, a mother LaVonna bridges her passion for how the brain learns with education and shows every individual how to shine through their mindset and social, emotional wellbeing. So achievement source for all, she has a bachelor’s and two master’s degrees taught at the elementary and secondary levels has all the author of eight books, which about to be nine. This she’s wrapping up and has worked with educators in the United States and Canada and Europe, south America, and the middle east. She is the founder of the Ignite Your S.H.I.N.E. Framework and creator of brainpower learning to elevate educators further LaVonna teaches educators how to get into educational consulting, be it part-time or full-time through her prime to shine consulting course and membership site. She will leave. You inspired remembering why you got into education and how to create substantial change in your classroom district or organization that is sustainable. She’s here to serve you so you can effectively serve your students through the lens of brain research, social, emotional needs and psychological safety. So, wow. Wow. That Was a lot that’s way too long. A lot of things. So gotta give you your props. So like I said, thank you for just carving out the time to hop on here with us today. We are excited. My pleasure and same, same things. Let’s Do it.

Yeah. So like I said, y’all are our topic today is reigniting your shine. And like I said, no better guests than the person who came up with it to kind of dive into dive into this topic with us. So LaVonna just give our listeners and myself an overview of shine and why it will start. Oh, I’m so glad you asked why it was started because this was not originally the plan.

So I was actually going after the word smart and education, because I know that here, especially in United States, we tend to look at reading, writing in a math and science and that’s the box and that’s what I call it. The box we tend to put students into and I was tired of it. Cause I thought, you know what? Every child is gifted.

And I reflected back on how many times as an educator that I would say, Hey Seuss. And you know, Olivia had to gifted. And when I just told all my other students is that they weren’t gifted in what I’d rather have sent the messages. Every child is gifted. The question is how, and so I was going after the word smart, and somebody said to me, right or wrong, somebody said to me, LaVonna, you will never change the definition of smart. And part of my personality went watch me. And then the part of self-doubt said, well, what if the right? And so I took a step back and I’m grateful to that person now, not in the moment, but now because it had me do a step back, what is it my, why, what am I really trying to accomplish? And it became bigger than just the word smart. And that’s when the word shine popped in my head. I knew I wanted it to be an acronym. So here’s what it became. The essence shine is self. And we really focus on what are your strengths, gifts, skills, and talents. So what is it that you may have been born with things that you’ve developed? It doesn’t matter. We kind of put all together, but what are those strengths, gifts, skills, and talents. And we also look at mindset under that umbrella. We look at self care under that umbrella. So S is huge, like self as the really big anchor.

And it’s we it’s, it’s what takes us the longest to go through when we’re doing professional development, it’s heart. So we’re talking about passion thing, what lights you on fire? What gives you that energy? What might be a reason to be here? And we start tapping in and becoming aware of, are we embedding passions in, especially when we talk about work-life balance.

So, or I can also say for educators, it’s drawing the line in the sand because as educators, we often have, think I have one more strategy or I have one more parent phone call to make, or one more teacher to meet with. I have one more meeting. I have, I have it when ends up happening is we see all of this and because we have a passion for it, we don’t draw a line in the sand in, right. So what I’m saying by that is the fact that we just continue to go, go, go, and we end up burning out because we didn’t draw a line in the sand to try to embrace some of the passions that we have. And then eyes inspire because we know life’s going to throw a curve balls, things that are going to come such as a pandemic, didn’t see that one coming. Right. But how do you stay inspired and inspire? I know nobody saw that one coming right. And nobody had a manual for it either. So I as inspire. So what are you going to do in those moments and how do you inspire others and as navigate, what are you gonna do with everything I just talked about? So it’s putting into action goals, story, journey, whatever you want. It’s literally the action step. So we get to, then he and shine is eat in. He is exceptional because you’re becoming an exceptional person. You were meant to be not anybody else. So you were meant to be, and that’s Ignite Your S.H.I.N.E. So we need to reignite it with everything everyone’s been through. Exactly. And I love it. And I love even how you start off with the S what about self? Because that’s something that, you know, when I’m working with, with pre-service teachers, with interns, talking to different people in a variety of capacities, you know, the idea that, you know, like taking it for an education example, right. If you’re talking about pre-service teachers, so you’ve got 20 up and coming, social studies teachers, everybody’s getting the same degree. And I often say to them, okay, so what makes you, you like, what makes you with that degree stand out. So when you go to an interview, I’m like, Ooh, I want to hire Matt over Jimmy over here. You know, like, like what, what about you that makes you okay, you got a degree. Cool. The other 19 people in here getting the same degree that they’re going to be the same credential. Then you, you multiply it. You know, just using like a pre-service example.

Okay. You’re walking in there with really no actual experience. And then you have somebody like LaVonna comes in and she’s walking and she’s authored books. She’s, you know, she’s taught at all these levels, Bennett Cadillac. Okay. So what are you doing to then make someone consider you when by default, most people would say common sense would say, I’m going this way.

Right? So it’s that idea of self and why is very important. And that idea of being unique and then being able to show that your authentic self to someone. So then they can say, Hey, you are the perfect person for this position. You are the perfect person in this school or the culture that we are either we have, or that we’re trying to build.

Yes. Oh, you’re dropping so many nuggets here. Absolutely. I love that. You get people to think about that because right. It’s, you know, it’s, it’s interesting. Cause we, we go through a lot of times we talk about soft skills, but Ignite Your SHINE, we call them necessary skills because they’re actually necessary in life. Like that’s what employers are actually looking for.

And so when we think about how do you develop those? Yes, content is great and knowledge is great, but there are a lot of companies even now, or even schools that are starting to say, I can teach you what you need to know, but I can not teach you these necessary skills. You know, it’s funny, you, you must’ve been a fly on the wall.

And one of our last episodes that we recorded that we did racks actually wrapped it recently with Dr. John grotto for a future episode. But that was a common him and I were talking about like, Hey, we really can’t teach you how to care about kids. Like I can’t teach you how to really, I mean, I could show you some ways to build a relationship, but I can’t really make you care. Like you’ve got to walk in with that openness, with that necessary skill because the, the content piece, you know, I can’t show you what I can show you some good pre-assessments I can show you some effective bell ringers. I can show you how to do these transitions. I mean, I need you to, if you could do this and kids, aren’t, you know, throwing things in your class and doing, you know, and don’t want to be there and parents are calling because they hate you. If you can do that piece, all this other stuff, we’ll just, we’ll just come if you’re, if you’re open to feedback, but you’ve got to have those man I’m I’m, I’m got to borrow that those necessary. So I love that. Yes, yes. It was one of those that started hearing from different companies and how they hire and what they’re looking for. And as my fact, there are companies out of Silicon valley who are hiring high school kids straight out of high school. They’re paying them $125,000 to start to not go to college.

And it’s because of the, going back to what you said, Matt, they don’t want a cookie cutter for your degree that everybody has. And so even places like MIT and university of Virginia has started doing micro-credentials. And when you do that, you actually start to say, you know what, I’m going to pull a piece of interior design, and then I’m going to do a little bit of engineering.

And then I’m also going to do a little bit of this and that. And you create your own unique portfolio, which creates you as a unique person to others. But that’s where I’m again, I’ll go back to the essence self it’s about what are your strengths. So it’s not about trying to do everything that, you know, I have to be great at that.

I have to be great that I had to be great at that because we put the mirrors up to compare ourselves to everybody. No. What makes you, you, you know, and when you add in the age for heart, the passion I love when you said, like, we can’t teach you to care. That’s what’s going to differentiate you big time in an interview.

Do you have the passion for this? Do you have the care for this? And then do you have the know-how? And so when we that’s the age and shine, so when you’re putting together your strengths and your passions, that’s what allows you to stand what we call your lion? Like a L I O N a lion of greatness or lioness of greatness.

That’s where you’re standing in that, because you’re unique in that. And that helps set you apart too. Definitely. So, as you talked about it, it gets then kind of takes us to our next part when you talk about stress, right? Cause because stress can start interfering with that. And I, and I think a lot of times we don’t, and I know when I say we I’m really kind of speaking to our listeners out here, the educators, we don’t really properly evaluate how stress not only influences our perceptions. Right? But then it starts influencing our, our, our lack thereof of our, why we start kind of questioning like, is this really what I wanted to do? Why am I really doing this?

Because you know, the why is telling me, or the stress is saying, I could be doing this or, or maybe I’m not doing this right. Or I think you had alluded to it earlier, not drawing the line to say, I’ve already called five parents and this other parent right here, this situation can actually wait until tomorrow morning. This is not this right here is not urgent yet.

I need to follow up with them. But me following up with them at six o’clock can actually wait until eight o’clock the next morning and nothing is going to occur. That’s going to impact either that decision or that situation. So, you know, kind of talk a little bit about that. How did, how do you see stress factor in, into this question?

So stress is actually a good thing. Not a lot of stress, not chronic stress, which is where a lot of us are living. You know, not only just from the pandemic, like you alluded before, before the pandemic, you know, just a lot on the plate, educators care. There’s so much to be done and shifts and change and all the little pieces that are happening.

And so when we look at the brain and the brain is undergoing stress, what we end up doing is, you know, you, it can be a thinking state. What ends up happening is the blood flow literally shift into emotion or like a fight flight freeze, survival mode. And so when we are stressed about something, the brain doesn’t necessarily understand that I’m stressed about this, but it’s going to be okay. What it recognizes is I’m stressed about this and that’s a survival threat. So our body starts releasing, you know, we hear this all the time cortisol and it just, it heightens everything up. And it does damage the cells within the brain. However, part of the, you know, some of it’s good, but when we hit those higher levels, it’s not good. And so it wanted, it changes the flow within the brain of how our thinking, which if it’s going to change, how we’re thinking, such as critical thinking, judging, planning, decision-making those executive functions. Then that means our brain is going into a higher state of emotion and survival. Well, if you’ve ever had a situation where you’re thinking, you know, you’re feeling stress and something happens, that is little, and normally you can let it go, but you cannot write. You cannot let it go. That’s because that stress factor is actually magnifying. What it is that you are stressed about. So go back to the calls you made, you know, you get to that next one. For some people, they need to get it done because if they don’t, then they’re going to worry about, well, wonder if that call is going to, maybe I should just get that off the plate. I should probably go ahead and call. You’re raising the stress where others can go. You know what? I’m good. I can make that call tomorrow. And that’s going to be key to it, to recognize and learning where that is with you and understanding that you can’t solve all the world’s problems right now. And I Love that. And I like how you compared both ways to tackle it. And you were kind of honoring like, look, some people need to do it this way. Some people would do it that way now. I, and that’s why you saw me smiling.

I’m the person. I think it was a couple of days ago at work. I was still in my office till eight o’clock because it bothered me that like, Hey, if I don’t do this, I’m going to be stressed tomorrow. And the following day, and I’m going to be in a bad mood and I’m going to get agitated. And I was like, and I just know. So I rather call my wife and say, Hey, babe, don’t be mad. Look, I I’m finishing this up. I will be home. I clean up the dishes and everything just to make sure he was good. But like, I have to do that because I am not the other option. You said I’m not the type of person say, you know what? I can, I can walk out the door at five. O’clock get done. No, because I’m going to be, be mad. People are going to see it on my face. I’d rather just stay late, have my music cranked up, maybe drink some coffee or red bull, keep it going. And then I’m good to go.

But, but at the same time, the following day, I had to get in bed by nine o’clock. Cause when I got home, cause I knew I was exhausted. So I think you’re right on the money, knowing your balance and how you can navigate stress and the way you do it for your own self can look different from other people. But not to let folks, I want to say demonize you, but make you feel bad. If you, you do one way that they don’t agree with. Exactly. Cause everybody’s going to be different, you know everybody. So you figured that out and I’m not wanting to give you marriage advice just don’t stay at eight o’clock every night to the office. You might have another problem.

Yeah. Duly noted until he noted. So how then I guess staying on this idea of stress, how do we bounce back? And, and I’m really talking about cause, and, and I, for my non-educators out there who listen, cause we do have a lot of folks who aren’t even education room tuned in, deleting out the woods. And we do appreciate y’all.

So continue to do that. But for a lot of educators, one of the things that a lot of folks are struggling with is this idea of bouncing back after a long year of, of high stress, right? Dealing pretty much with the pandemic, dealing with things, just constantly changing, dealing with the fact that decisions are being made. And we don’t have a historical context to go to.

Right. We don’t have something to kind of look at as like, Ooh, well we had that pandemic, you know, back then, this is how virtual learning looks like we can, no one had, it was, everybody was just kind of like picking up the phone. Hey, what are you doing? What are you doing? And we were all building the plane as we were trying to fly it, per se. So speaking just directly to educators, right? How do you see educators bouncing back after this long year of high stress? So I’ll use examples and talk about it from the point of educators, but in all reality, it happens any workplace when you are coming back from things. So yes, there was no pandemic manual. So it was super interesting to watch, be a part of, to figure out and just where were all we were going. And that was extreme high stress because it, wasn’t not unknown for everybody. Plus we through is our safety going to be a factor? You know? So the brain was like full on and for months and months it’s been at such a high level. So when, when transferring back to the classroom, I think it’s going to be, or the school building in general, it’s going to be critical that it’s not jumping right into the academics. You can bring up the academics of course, but it is more critical than ever that we are doing the transitions and why we might transitions is not just the high five at the door and saying, okay, they’re good.

I did my SEL, right? I did the transition to feel it is doing the deeper work and the deeper work with each other, having open honest conversations. How did you get through this? You know, what are some things that were, that you learned from it that was a super power or strength and what from this, did you like, I never want to deal with that again.

And it was awful. And just having some, some of that work, because one of the things that we have to learn, especially transitioning is that it’s how we reframe. A lot of theirs are probably heard this. But when you, when we talk about reframing, it’s you have a choice of how you view things. You know, just like if we happen to all be getting together today at eight o’clock this morning and it’s seven 30, we had a flat tire and at seven 30, we’re thinking great. Just great. Now here I am. I have this flat tire and I’m going to be late. I’m supposed to be there by eight o’clock and now I don’t know what to do about it. And you go through this whole process, I’m gonna have to call the tow truck. Oh, speaking of the tow truck, I need to check money. You go into the checking account. Cause you have to buy, you know, the we’ll do the towing. You have to have the one tire. Oh, that’s right. Nope. It’s actually two tires because you have to rotate the balance. You know, you see how the weather, this is all going, right. You check the checking account, not looking good. You check savings. That’s right. I’m an educator. I don’t have a savings to go back to the checking credit card. Right. We get this whole flow. Right. Was it? I, because I have laughing. This is so funny because I literally got a flat tire last week.

That’s why I’m laughing because I said, oh my God, she’s talking directly about, so if I can real quick, this Java there, cause what you were saying. I was like, oh my gosh. She really was like the shadow behind me watching this. So I get a flat dire stopping to pick my son up. Some milk folks, not talking about like he’s, he’s only two. So he loves his milk and I’m going to pick up some milk after work. And I hit this piece of metal on the road and I was like, oh man, I need to check my tire. Didn’t think much about it. Y’all so this is some good life advice for everybody. If you run over something and you hear like a pot, you probably want to check next time you stop. So I’m coming out of a Kroger and I’m like, oh man, I gotta, I got a flat tire. Right. And I had all these things planned and it was funny because when I had called my wife, she was like, you’re just so not stressed. Like, like she’s waiting, I guess for me, because normally I’d be like, oh, my whole day is wrong. And I said, you know what? Turn the AC on. We got AAA. I called triple life. Like, y’all come up here. And it helped me out. So they’re coming up there. I just took my computer out. I had my, my, my ma and I just started doing work.

I started checking emails. I start, I mean, I was just like, what else can I do? Let the windows down. I mean, I rolled my sleeves up. I mean, there’s really not much to stress. And then like you said, get to go up there about the tire. They were like, Hey, your alignment’s messed up.

So you’ve actually blessing in disguise. You actually three new tires. I was like, well, you know what, why don’t we just go ahead and buy four? Why don’t we just, you know, make the whole set? I mean, it’s like, why, why should I, I say that long-winded example. Say like, why operate at such a high stress level when there’s really nothing I can do at that moment?

You know, me getting upset at me, cussing me, yelling me outside for him. I mean that that’s not going to change anything. I might as well like, well, the great thing is I got a report done for work. It gave me some time to sit out there and finish some emails. I mean, I got caught up on stuff in a bad situation.

So it sent me back a good chunk change. I ain’t gonna lie. Also my, my beats has kinda maxed right now, but I got caught up on some other stuff. In fact, I, so you’re the master of reframing, Right? You said so many things. It is not worth getting stressed about you can’t change it. Right? What can you do about it?

And it’s always fascinating to me because everybody is different on that. How we handle stress. Like you went, wait a minute. I’m not going to freak out because there’s nothing I can do about it might as well get some work done. But then we have people who do freak out and everything in between. Well, it was the same situation yet.

Everybody handled it differently because they made a choice. I know people hate probably when I say this, but stress as a perception and I just proved you. Why? Because how you perceive it is then how you’re going to handle it. So keep in mind that, you know, you have a chance to reframe it. And that’s the last part I’ll say about this part is that, you know, if that tire actually saved you from a fatal car accident and that is what happened, maybe that’s why. So in that case, I am no longer stressed because well, at least not as stressed. Well that, and that’s kind of really what I was thinking. I was like, why didn’t, you know, that that’s God working in mysterious ways.

Like, because the tire was just bald on one side and I wouldn’t have noticed it, you know, because of where the car sits. So, I mean, it was just like, wow, you know that me? Cause I could have stressed and gotten even more worked up, like you said, and then that could have interfered like me maybe sending a bad email, right. Or sending something I shouldn’t be in been like, oh, why are they emailing me this? Cause I’m just not in the right mindset. So now that kind of didn’t takes us to that. Another port, when we talk about now from the leader standpoint, right. When leaders are now trying to create their culture in a school, right.

Not only just coming back after the pandemic, but just creating that culture in general, but obviously very critical after a pandemic. Because like the example, I just said, you have people operating or things are occurring where people are navigating these high level of stresses. Right. And they’re, and everybody’s temperament very different. Right. And people are coming in with different baggage or lack thereof and you really don’t know what could be the, I have to say the tipping point for somebody, right? Like you don’t know, what’s the catalyst where it’s like, it looks like Lavonne is doing good, but you know, lo and behold, this happens and then you come in and we can just all see like what something, she might not be telling us right now, but something is going on.

That’s impacting. So what advice would you offer leaders as they’re trying to create obviously a very positive culture in their school, but then navigate these different stresses and things that can occur with staff is there they’re coming in. My biggest advice is going to be, make sure you take care of your staff. That’s coming in because when you’re taking care of your staff, that’s coming in, they take care of the students, right. If we’re adding stress or we’re adding demands or we’re like, okay, back at it, testing, here we come. I want to be seeing it. Whatever the pressures are, then that just adds pressure to the pressure of coming back. So no one’s coming back exactly how they were.

No brain is coming back. Exactly how it was. So if we jump right in as if business, as usual, so to speak and we run with it, we forgot to take care of the people in our building. And I noticed, I said staff, I don’t mean just the teachers either. I mean every single person in that building. So having that time to reconnect, go through what are your strengths? What are your passions? Like, find that out from staff, share that because what ends up happening is they learn about each other. They learn similarities, they learn differences. If I’m coming back and I’m super stressed and I didn’t have time to do a lesson that I really wanted to knock out of the ballpark, but I know someone, someone who is so good, like off the cuff and making a lesson, maybe go to them and say, okay, I’m about to teach this. And I don’t like how I have it. Can you help me? And they’re like, oh yeah, absolutely. It does it. Cause it’s kind of their strength. Is there any more natural way to go?

We look at this a lot when it comes to keys to memory attention. So if you know, I’m not good at movement, but I want to add movement in. Then I know the teacher who is really good at adding movement in, it might be the PE teacher, but it could be other people too. But when we get to know this and we get to recognize that coming back, I’m coming back to front and I don’t have to come back great at everything. My job is to be great at what it is that I do. And if I’m not great at it, who, who can be a support to me and who can I support? And the moment we share some of that vulnerability and we begin to honor each other, that’s really, when we say a school’s unstoppable because now you’re recognizing the greatness amongst each other. I agree. And, and the best advocate I tell people all the time, the, you know, I think we all go through life or even our careers where there are certain triggers, things that happen where you just kind of know something occurred that, that change, like, you know, something like eating your mindset your day to day. And for me as an administrator, what changed for me is when I was just very transparent about things that aren’t my expertise. Like not saying it beforehand, I would pretend I knew that, but I wouldn’t just come out and say, Hey, I, I don’t know. You know?

And folks that know me now know, I’ll tell you, Hey, like these things right here. I know exactly what you’re talking about. These things over here. And I just noticed the way folks started responding to things that I needed, everything. It was, it was almost like I was like, wait something, I couldn’t put my finger on at the time.

But it was folks would still respond to, Hey, we’ll, we’ll take care of this. We’ll do this. But I just started noticing, Hey, I got you. Don’t worry about, Hey, what’s, don’t worry. I’ll take care of this for you. Just give me this. I can, because I was building capacity, empowering them.

And they could see that, Hey, look, I’m going to tell you, I’m going to be here to support you. And I understand right here, this is my wheelhouse. And y’all can kind of see, I know what I’m talking about here, but over here, this is like my thing. So like I’m looking at you because I see something in you.

Or matter of fact, you’ve already demonstrated that you know how to do this. So all I’m going to do is just give you the resources and you just take it from there. And you’re at, I want to go back to that point. You just made, I think it’s critical as we come back as leaders, don’t expect yourself to know exactly how to transition this.

Don’t expect yourself to know everything. And in the moment you do what you just described, Matt, of sharing that piece and coming back with the transparency, coming back with the, Hey, we figured out why we were building the plane and flying at the same time. We figured it out during this pandemic, we’re going to figure it out together as we go forward.

And now you just begin to build that community and that culture. And when we’re transparent, we enter into psychological safety, which begins to help us build in a way that we truly will be a community. So, wow, Vonda, this was great. I mean, I would, there’s so much more, I’d love to kind of dive into you with, and I think just for the listeners out there, you could see how passionate you are. They could hear how passionate you are about your work. But most importantly, I think everybody can really see that there is a lot of different components in the work that you do. So for the listeners, we’re really only giving you just a small tid piece to the great work that LaVonna is doing and in the great folks that she has with her.

Cause I know she’s, she’s built out a team. I know when we had talked before, she was telling me about all the great folks that she works with. So like I said, thank you so much for being a guest and hopping on here and just sharing some of the work that you’re doing. Well, thank you. I feel like I’m a lucky lady in many ways and grateful and I’m grateful Matt, for all that you’re doing, you know, giving us podcasts, giving listeners an opportunity to learn from so many. So thank you for the time and the effort that you put in to make that happen for everybody else. Got you. I really appreciate it before we let you go. Like I said, cause I know that listeners they’ll be listening they’ll they might have questions they might want to reach out.

They might want to dive a little bit more into, into shine and, and go more in depth in it. Can you please just kind of share with them either like a website or email or where they can kind of link up with you? Sure. Yes. So if you go to IgniteYourSHINE.com, that’s a great way to see some of the resources that we have.

There’s a way to contact us through that. So either myself or my team, we will get back to you. Someone will and then on all social media platforms. So it’s at LaVonna Roth on all social media. So LaVonna@IgniteYourSHINE is adding that your shine on all platforms, except on S on Instagram we had to do @IgniteYourSHINE.

Now I’d love to connect. Yeah. You know, the social media, sometimes you got to change the handles on it. I understand. Like, actually, we’ll look, we appreciate it so much. Like I said, a lot of thank you for taking time hopping on here as always our listeners. We appreciate y’all thank y’all for tuning in, and we will catch you all on the next episode.

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